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Bleu Raeder
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2003 03:12 pm |
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transio wrote:
To the "experts" out there who think PHP / MySQL is the solution to every problem, get out of high school first and work a few years before proclaiming your own expertise.
Wow...pretty strong there transio. I have been programming since the mid- 70's (starting with Fortran and Cobol) and I do think that PHP / MySQL is awfully strong for a scripting language / database combination, if not the strongest. I do agree with you that it might not always be the best solution...but insulting those of us who have more 'expertise' than high school...or you....is not going to support your arguements.
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inhows
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Posted: Mon Sep 22nd, 2003 10:08 am |
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Stop cat fighting ladies, lets concentrate on the posted topic!
I have worked with ASP, PHP & JSP.
ASP - is good for the beginner to get into dynamic content building, as most people have PWS (except for the poor XP home folks).
# Once you have a grasp of ASP it can be used with a mix of Databases.
# Connecting ASP to ODBC is cheap but only allows limited concurrent connections.
# 1 down side to ASP is the speed of the transactions with the server, it is the slowest of the 3.
# because it is a service you have other uses, access into all the Ms-exchange services etc.
# ASP is a service based system, ie. Page > ASP > service > database
PHP - a cheaper solution, but money isnt everything if you are creating a selling site!
# it is limited as to the database types u can connect to.
# has a speed advantage over ASP
# PHP is for page scripting, ie. Page > PHP > Database , note: no services for other applications to plug into!
JSP - another cheap solution, but is harder to set up on the server. Don't knock it until you try it.
# yes it can be a ball ache to get into, but the flexibility is, that you can have pure JAVA techies working there magic on servlets, while you can develop the web site and functionality.
# JSP can be used with 'distributed services', much like web-services on ASP.net platforms
# JSP is also a service based system, ie. Page > JSP > servlet > service > database
So which do I recommend?
It depends on what you are wanting to do!
If you are creating a site with links into your business applications, then think about which service suits your backend systems ASP/JSP
If you are building a stand alone web site, your options are more open. ASP/PHP/JSP
# if you have a high volume of visitors think about the speed advantage, PHP cheaper most widely supports. JSP not so widely supported but you could find a dedicated host.
But to blow this forum post wide open, what about building your own server, any platform, any language (ASP,PHP,JSP...) and finding a Hosting Service who would look after your server! Only thing to decide then is how much you can spend!
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magalabastro
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Posted: Thu Sep 25th, 2003 03:48 am |
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If you want multi-tier and scalable web solutions, go with a .NET or J2EE implementation. You can stick with ASP-VBScript but you need to implement COM+ components developed in C++ (not VB) for your lower tiers.
ASP and PHP's OOP support are very limited. Both are easy to learn, and both make launching websites FROM SCRATCH fast.
However, once you develop skills in OOP, you can make reusable and extensible classes which will allow you to launch websites as fast as you can with ASP or PHP, and as your skill grows, even faster.
If your skill progresses some more in OOP, you can develop your own code generators and launch fully-functional multi-tier and scalable websites in minutes. The only constraint will be how fast your artists develop web site designs and how fast your business analysts map business processes.
Transio's comment is way out arrogant, but to progress in a career in programming, you have to embrace OOP. I started programming in the mid 80's before my teenage years and I've gone from procedural programming (BASIC with the line numbers, Pascal, C, Assembly, ASP, PHP), template based programming (HTML), event-driven programming (VB/VC++/JavaScript), and finally OOP and design patterns (COM+, .NET, and a little J2EE).
OOP unleashes the creativity and talent in every programmer. Try reading articles in sdmagazine.com. If you can grasp the concepts there, then well and good. If not, then it's time for more learning.
Hope this helps.
MikeA
Last edited on Thu Sep 25th, 2003 05:48 am by magalabastro
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Posted: Mon Nov 3rd, 2003 02:09 am |
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Back to the topic as well, both programming languages work. It's whatever you are better at and are more comfortable at using. I have been using PHP for two years and I love it. The manuals and help sites on the web are incredible, I couldn't ask for more. I haven't yet had to script something I couldn't do with PHP. If you are wanting to learn php, I recommend http://www.w3schools.com . Personally, I like PHP better as I am not great with ASP, but really it is personal preference, you shouldn't get other people to tell you what to choose.
- Matt
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Posted: Wed Feb 18th, 2004 01:44 pm |
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Adam,
How would you advise a person in starting their own web development company? Nothing sacred! The basics in starting; where to host (should I host myself), marketing, etc. I will stay away from WI.
Thanks…
dvw
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Seraph
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Posted: Tue Mar 9th, 2004 02:23 am |
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Personally i like PHP for serveral reasons
- Free
- Open Source
- Nice and fast
- My first real coding experience
again, just my opinion (just like every body else)
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Posted: Thu Mar 18th, 2004 05:01 pm |
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dvw. hosting is a bit out of the topic of this forum. However, if you have any raised eye brows, then go to bcentral.com. I have Microsoft host my site. Reliability and ssi processing must be reliable for me.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18th, 2004 05:03 pm |
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inhows, I think you hit the nail right on the head. I'm pro ASP, the applications it produces are just extraordinary. I do have a problem now, however. I now use a PowerMac G5, so..I've either got to get something like ChiliSoft or pick up some PHP. Eikes!
PHP does process much qucker, I have to admit.Last edited on Thu Mar 18th, 2004 05:04 pm by nightshade
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Posted: Fri Jun 4th, 2004 03:03 pm |
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Hi to everybody:
PHP vs ASP
PHP is good because it support MySQL. pfffff 
In ASP:
Set my_conn = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Connection")
Set rs = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Recordset")
my_conn.Open "DRIVER={MySQL ODBC 3.51 Driver};SERVER=192.168.1.2;DATABASE=****;UID=***;PWD=***; OPTION=16427"
and with only 3 lines i have mysql connection to my database connected in another server. In fact, it's quite more easy that using a access database, the hard task is to install the mysql database, the odbc drivers, and to configure the dsn stuffs.
So, because PHP can use Mysql,it is not a "real reason" for choice PHP over ASP.
IMHO : To use PHP or ASP is only a personal opinion (and of course if you server support it). The plus about PHP is that apache and iis support it.
pd : Real programmers use C/C++ CGI! 
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Posted: Sat Apr 14th, 2007 04:13 am |
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Hello,
Here is an interesting article on PHP vs ASP. Good luck to you.
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